Welcome back to the Fourth Wave podcast. We are continuing our discussion today on abortion by taking a look at the arguments of patriarchal bias. The argument of patriarchal bias is going to say that men have a vested interest in women having children. And the argument says that men can't understand and therefore argue because we aren't women. We have this patriarchal bias that makes us want to control the choices of women and from a standpoint which doesn't understand women because men aren't women.

As a man who understands how men misunderstand women, I want to go ahead and take a stab at this. Why is the argument trying to undercut the anti abortion argument from patriarchal bias. Why is this problematic? First of all, we'll just get this one out of the way, but but one major problem is that there are a lot of women who argue against abortion too. So you can't just say that because men argue for abortion or against abortion that you discredit it.

And there are also a lot of men who argue for abortion and women love pro abortion advocates love to take on men's voices there. So first of all, it's a wash. It just doesn't doesn't work out. Let's get on into the meat then. Like what's what's what are the bigger arguments against this patriarchal bias?

First, it takes an archaic view of men's interests. Like, you really want to say that men have a vested interest in women's choice because men want women to have kids? I mean, I'm sure there are some men somewhere and maybe maybe in other countries more so who want women to have their children. But it actually, it almost seems like this shoots yourself in the foot here if you're pro abortion because men's interests by and large, at least in the West, are for women to not have children so they don't have to pay child support. People don't want to be encumbered by kids and don't want to have to pay for them.

So, if anything, men who argue for abortion have more of a vested interest in forcing women to have abortions or encouraging them to do so. The last I checked and I'll try to remember to put links down below, over eighty five percent of abortions were from unmarried women, women without a committed man in their lives, and over fifty percent of those unmarried or not cohabitating. So over fifty percent of people who had abortions were it was basically with like a boyfriend, somebody who's not committed to them. And, you know, not committed means they probably don't want to be tied down by kids because they're not committed yet. So vested interest, it seems like over fifty percent at least would have a vested interest in the woman not having the kid.

Unless it's the rare exception of, you know, that one man who wants the kid to bring them together so he can be committed because it's the woman not wanting to be committed. But I mean overall, clearly, guys, most guys don't want to pay child support and have the added responsibility and pressure. They pressure women to get abortions. Much more, I would guess, than they pressure women not to get abortions. Point number three, you know, the wealthy majority actually has a vested interest in promoting abortion because abortion helps to maintain status as abortion mostly affects minorities and lower classes.

Abortion potentially also helps to decrease crime as the Freakonomic guys show a correlation there. I mean, I don't know if that's true, but if there's any vested interest in the majority of people, especially the people with power, it would be to promote abortion. Most people in power are wealthy men, that's changing, thank goodness. But most people in power with wealth are wealthy men. And so the vested interest there is to keep minorities and crime and other things down.

Point number four. You know, men do have a health interest legalizing abortion. Besides not wanting to pay child support, men have a health interest in legalizing abortion. We've got this thing called embryonic stem cell research, which has huge potential, huge potential for resolving a lot of issues like, I mean, spinal cord injuries, fixing those. You see Michael J.

Fox talking about Parkinson's and the potential of stem cells to fix that. And if you look, men have statistically worse health, more diseases, more genetic disorders and they die earlier. Viewing the unborn as disposable allows stem cell research to advance and actually statistically would help men far more than it would help women. So yeah, men do have an interest but this is the second interest that we've seen which is actually for their interest to be in the dehumanization of infants and embryos. Fifth, we recognize the importance of non interested classes speaking out.

Our world recognizes that all the time. Free white abolitionists were helpful in freeing slaves, and citizens were vital in calling out our country's mistreatment of non citizen immigrants. Abraham Lincoln was white, and he was pretty helpful in freeing slaves. Who's that guy from England or Britain? Newton, John Newton, and I don't know.

Wilberforce, that's it. Wilberforce was influential in stopping slavery in Great Britain. And then we have non immigrant American citizens who are calling on our government to stop mistreating non citizen immigrants. Like, we recognize the importance of non interested classes speaking out because interested classes tend to have more motivation to take advantage of people. So it's important to see that all parties need to be a part of the discussion, especially parties that might not be as affected because they also will likely have less bias.

So as a man who is anti abortion, If I had a girlfriend, I'm married, but if I had a girlfriend and got her pregnant, then or if my wife and I had a child that we weren't planning on and economically that would hurt financially that would hurt us, then we would have that child. I'd be bound to that. And at the same time, if I end up coming up with Parkinson's or something like that, I would not advocate embryonic stem cell research. So my lack of interest in manipulating embryos and fetuses for my well-being actually gives me a very strong voice because the people who want to have abortions or or allow those things, many of them do have a vested interest because they wouldn't want their girlfriend to to have a kid or because they wouldn't want their baby to ruin their career or lower their where they have to spend their money, lower their finances, and all sorts of things. So non interested parties are extremely important in discussions because they are generally the parties that are able to recognize human value apart from bias, as much bias, and that's valuable and we recognize it all over the place.

Finally, point number six, even if we take all of these things into account, abortion doesn't protect women like people want to say that it does. You just look at the statistics, especially not as much in the West, even though it does exist in certain places in the West, but you look at a lot of countries and there are these things called sex selective abortions, and that's a huge problem. And who's killed the most in sex selective abortions? Women. Women are killed as embryos and fetuses in much much higher numbers than boy babies are killed in abortions.

You can see this very clearly in places like like Pakistan or I think China, but even in Western countries like The UK, we see this going on. Women are actually the ones who get the short end of the stick in abortions. Not only because they're the ones killed in the majority of abortions, but because they're pressured by boyfriends in much larger numbers to to abort than they are to keep. So, hopefully, you find that enlightening if you can stand it coming from a man. And I guess that's all for now.

So peace, because I'm a pacifist, and I say it, I'm here.