I had the opportunity to interview Abby Cleckner. We talked about government as a means whereby society diffuses their responsibility. 0:00 Intro 8:15 Three diffusions of power 10:45 Top down diffusion 16:10 Milgram Experiment 20:45 resources 22:00 importance of integrity and small faithfulness 26:05 how government diffuses/concentrates responsibility upward 31:20 outsourcing to state 34:45 isn't Anarchism a false dichotomy? 39:00 refusing to play the game illigitimates the state 40:00 doesn't pooling our power help to solve bigger problems 42:30 States create the problems we ask them to fix 46:15 bystander effect 47:45 power corrupts 56:00 positive diffusion of power 1:00:00 body of Christ/church as politics 1:09:15 importance of all members and actions 1:11:00 Abby plug 1:11:35 Outro thoughts