Zack Johnson of Sattler College joins me to discuss his transition out of the military, what precipitated that, and how he views the compatibility of Christianity and the military. 1:30 Introduction 5:40 Zack's testimony 18:20 Why Romans 13 wasn't convincing 23:00 Can a Christian remain in the military? 24:20 The first recorded conscientious objector 29:30 Idolatry in the military 32:30 Using God to sanction violence 33:15 Martin of Tours 37:00 Can you associate with those who aren't nonviolent? 45:20 Early Christians are the best citizens and submit to government 47:30 If Christians left government, what would happen to all the good the government does? 49:30 What is human security? 50:45 Holistic aid 55:00 Incarnation and community 57:00 Link between poverty and violence 58:45 Two kingdoms and spiritual schizophrenia 1:02:15 Consequentialist morality and government as a diffusion of responsibility 1:05:30 How do you avoid retreatism?