I had the opportunity to speak with Joshua of Our Foundations podcast. We talk a lot about idealism, which is often a pejorative accusation levied at ideologies which seek to change the world. In this episode we dig into whether or not anarchism is a natural outworking of the idealistic Kingdom of God, and whether Christians should compromise on that ideal or pursue it. 0:00:00 - Introduction 0:12:45 - Christians should seek idealism and perfection, despite its unattainability 0:18:00 - Why don't we teach pursuing the ideal in governing our world, but we teach pursuing the ideal in regard to things like adultery/lust and murder/hate? 0:22:00 - Reverse incarnation as hope and hypocrisy as a lack of pursuing the ideal 0:24:30 - how do you know which ideal to embrace when there are competing idealisms? 0:29:40 - The practical nature of the Kingdom of God and his orderly universe 0:40:40 - Cycle of individualism vs the cycle of institutionalism 0:46:00 - Flipping the script: the idealism of the statists and just war adherents 0:56:00 The practical nature of God's kingdom 1:01:00 - The alternative of no government seems worse 1:05:00 - The market as organization rather than state 1:20:00 - Free markets incentivize non-discrimination 1:31:45 - Cycles in human history 1:38:00 - Outro and plugs